Marti Abernathey

The Holocaust Never Happened

And rape accounts are all lies made up by lying women.

So it seems…. From the winner of the longest, most idiotic tag line, Heretical Sex blog:

“Ideological movements are generally movements of the gullible led by the manipulative, and feminism is no exception. The feminist movement can be regarded as a taxpayer-funded religious social club run by lesbians, where women are encouraged to gather in secret for the purpose of hating men.”

Unbelievable.

MRA | admin January 29, 2007

21 Comments

By Courtney, January 31, 2007 @ 1:39 pm

Not only is it disturbing to follow this person’s links to all the other people who think like him, the very idea of saying that women “generally make up rape charges” is horrifying. The only reason these people have statistics on false accusations is because the girls who really are traumatized by a sexual assault aren’t the ones going to the media and police. One in three women can expect to experience a sexual assualt, attempted rape, or brutal rape at some point in her lifetime. What kind of world is it when you just have to “expect” someone will try to take advantage of you physically? I know of several female acquaintances who’ve been raped, myself included, and none of us had the guts to go to the cops about it. For the most part, it has become something that “just happens to some of us” and you’re encouraged to move on and get over it since you’re just a statistic.
By Marti Abernathey, January 31, 2007 @ 5:27 pm

I’m not sure what is going on inside someone that believes in that kind of thinking.

One of the biggest surprises (from transitioning from a white male perspective) was the loss of security and freedom to move.

I’ve seen the damage that a rape will cause to a person, and I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that.
By Heretic, February 4, 2007 @ 2:42 pm

Dear Marti et al,
NOWHERE on my blog, or anywhere else, did I EVER say ‘women “generally make up rape charges”’. At least try to get your facts straight. I am currently discussing a particularly notorious court-case in the UK. A SINGLE court-case. What does that court-case have to do with the Holocaust? Absolutely nothing. You yourselves are a very poor advertisement for the idea that ‘women never tell lies’. Some PEOPLE tell lies SOME of the time. Check your facts and stop making up stories.
By Marti Abernathey, February 4, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

What a load of cobblers!

“The rape and child abuse scandals which fill our newspapers, the imaginary paedophiles lurking in every kindergarten, are part of an on-going cultural and political war against men.”

That isn’t about ONE case.

Oh, and more evidence:

1.False Accusations: The Scientific Evidence
2. “War Against Men Continues Unabated”
“The judicial system in the UK is heavily biased against men, and getting worse. It seems that men are entitled to no rights at all.”
3. “False Accusations: A Policeman’s View”
“I am aware of women who have falsely complained of rape being given £80 fixed penalty tickets for the offence of wasting police time.”

I could go on and on…. I have “CHECKED THE FACTS.” The overall color of your blog is that women lie about rape on a regular basis. That’s as much of an absurd notion as saying there was no Holocaust. It’s crap.
By Heretic, February 4, 2007 @ 5:23 pm

More evidence of what?

You have made two accusations against me:
(1) I believe that the Holocaust never happened.
(2) I believe that all rape allegations are lies.

Both of these are untrue, and YOU HAVE FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE THEM, even when challenged.

All three of the points you mention were raised in relation to the Warren Blackwell case. The statement in #3 is a direct quote from a police officer, not from me.

I still fail to see ANY CONNECTION with the holocaust, and what is more, YOU HAVE FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE ONE, even when challenged. You simply MADE IT UP. Don’t do that.

What is clear is that you do not like my blog. That’s fine. But don’t tell lies about it.
By Marti Abernathey, February 4, 2007 @ 5:40 pm

It’s obvious you have the intellect of an ant. You can’t see your own idiocy, because you’re a fool. It’s sad I have to point out that I was using one absurd argument, to highlight how foolish yours is. I’ve never made the accusation that you said or think the Holocaust never happened.

All three points were not directly related to the case, but are meant to show that women accusing rape are commonly using it as a defense against some other wrong.
By James, February 4, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

I dont know what is more disturbing. Martis complete dismissal of the fact that many women falsley accuse men of rape, thereby destroying an innocent mans life, or the fact that she needs to make up lies and more flase accusations.

Rape is illegal and will be punished to the extent of the law. Currently, women get away with false accusations - the Duke case being one of the most notorious at present. Is the all seeing Marti aware that the accusers friend inquired as to how she can ‘benefit’ from all of these false accusations?

Hateful biggots such as Marti give me the encouragement and motivation to continue to fight for mens rights, which have been summarily and bluntly eliminated in western society.

Thank you for a reason to keep on fighting, Marti.
By Marti Abernathey, February 4, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

“Martis complete dismissal of the fact that many women falsley accuse men of rape, thereby destroying an innocent mans life, or the fact that she needs to make up lies and more flase accusations.”

I don’t know which is more idiotic, your lack of a spell check, or your ignorant comment. What exactly is a flase accusation? Um… you moron, the Duke case disproves your point! The rape charge has been dropped!

“Hateful biggots such as Marti give me the encouragement and motivation to continue to fight for mens rights, which have been summarily and bluntly eliminated in western society.”

Nice try, but a bigot is someone that is prejudiced. I didn’t prejudge anyone. I am basing my opinions on absurdly asinine comments that have no basis in fact.
By DkSanctuary, February 4, 2007 @ 9:37 pm

Courtney–”… the very idea of saying that women “generally make up rape charges” is horrifying.

Humm……I wonder if both the Duke Lacrosse Men’s and Women’s teams feel the same way?

Also if you are a rape survivor, then you should team up with other survivors and attack the false accusers. (i.e. crystal gayle magnum)
By Marti Abernathey, February 4, 2007 @ 10:03 pm

“Humm……I wonder if both the Duke Lacrosse Men’s and Women’s teams feel the same way?”

Maybe you need glasses. I’m fairly sure she typed “generally make up charges,” not NEVER make up charges. One case doesn’t clear the slate for every person charged with rape.

Tell me, what sex is charged with the majority of sex crimes?
By fidelbogen, February 5, 2007 @ 12:02 am

Marti, cut the shit and BACK OFF!
By Marti Abernathey, February 5, 2007 @ 3:30 am

LOL, is that what this has devolved to? Cut the shit and back off? Good luck with that.
By Field Marshall Watkins, February 5, 2007 @ 5:41 am

Well, you still haven’t addressed even one of Heretical’s arguments. All I’m seeing on these comments are men posting legitimate questions and you just responding with ad hominem attacks. Prove your statements about Heretical’s blog. And how you ‘feel’ about it or that you ‘think’ doesn’t make a case.

Women of course can lie about rape, like anything else. I’m sure you’re probably blinded with rape at that statement. So watch this…

http://anotherdayinthejungle.blogspot.com/2007/02/false-rape-allegation.html
By Marti Abernathey, February 5, 2007 @ 10:11 am

Um, what arguments would that be? He was stupid enough to think that I was actually saying he said the Holocaust didn’t happen. I then provided examples of how he was making a statement on more than just one case. So, yes, I did answer him.

Blinded with rape? Is that supposed to be funny? Oh god, now rape is humor?

One case does not soil all women. Tawana Brawley, does not make every woman who says she was raped, a liar.
By Field Marshall Watkins, February 5, 2007 @ 1:50 pm

Blinded with rape was a typo, it meant to say ‘with rage’ I should have proof read it. Sorry about that.

It’s not about soiling all women. The concensous is that women couldn’t possibly lie about something as serious as rape, which is obviously complete rubbish. The main point isn’t that they lie, because they do. It’s the inequality in the justice system in regards to lying in court (also known as purgury/ obstruction of justice if a man does it). A woman should not be allowed or encouraged to lie in court, safe in the knowledge that even if evidence comes to light proving her lies, that she (the criminal) is still protected by rape shield law and the (proven innocent) man isn’t. It not only belittles women who have really experienced rape, it inconveniently shows the lack of ‘equality’ feminists bleat on about.

To summarize. The law treats men and women differently based on their sex. Nothing more. If that isn’t complete sexism, I don’t know what is.
By Marti Abernathey, February 5, 2007 @ 5:46 pm

“The concensous is that women couldn’t possibly lie about something as serious as rape, which is obviously complete rubbish. The main point isn’t that they lie, because they do.”

This has nothing to do with my point about Heretic’s blog.

That being said, I don’t think too many women believe that no woman in history has ever lied about being raped. I would say that i think it’s rare that women lie about being raped, but it’s not unheard of.

As far as rape shield laws, what the hell does that do to protect one from a perjury charge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_shield_law
“A rape shield law is a law that limits a defendant’s ability to cross-examine rape complainants about their past sexual behavior. It is also used to refer to a law that prohibits the publication of the identity of an alleged rape victim.”

Y
By Field Marshall Watkins, February 5, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

Oh please. First statement on this post of yours. ‘The Holocaust Never Happened.’ Never does he even come close to implying that. Of course with your infinite wisdom as a woman I guess a man doesn’t have to say anything. You just ‘know’ right?

‘You didn’t have to say it, this blog implies it. I’ve noted the evidence in the response on my blog.’ Is a comment you left on his blog.

That’s pathetic. What you ‘think’ is not evidence. Get that into your head.

‘Ideological movements are generally movements of the gullible led by the manipulative, and feminism is no exception. The feminist movement can be regarded as a taxpayer-funded religious social club run by lesbians, where women are encouraged to gather in secret for the purpose of hating men.’

That’s actually true. Do you research into the history of feminism, who funded it (The Rockefeller Foundation.) Who funded Ms. Magazine (CIA).

You know so little of the truth is annoying.

A woman can falsely accuse a man of rape, and still be protected by anonymity. That is not justice.

‘That being said, I don’t think too many women believe that no woman in history has ever lied about being raped. I would say that i think it’s rare that women lie about being raped, but it’s not unheard of.’ Again, what you think is irrelevant. The majority of alleged rape claims do not end in prosecution. Because there is no evidence. Women are crying rape with greater ease every year. Do the research if you want to read cases. I’m through replicating my work for those who choose to bask in their own perceived superiority ‘intuition’ or whatnot.

Good day.
By fidelbogen, February 9, 2007 @ 12:29 am

Seeing the heinous crimes that some women are indeed capable of committing, nothing hinders my belief that they are equally capable of lying about rape. My belief is corroborated in the light of numerous cases presently known, in which women have in fact been found guilty of this offense.

Rationally speaking, I cannot exclude this possibility from the realm of consideration. Morally speaking, I MUST not do so.

Both the preponderance of evidence and the balance of probability lead me to conclude that false allegation and accusation of rape do in fact occur, and with a frequency that demands serious consideration by all people of good will and conscience.
By Marti Abernathey, February 9, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

“Seeing the heinous crimes that some women are indeed capable of committing, nothing hinders my belief that they are equally capable of lying about rape.”

Wrong. Who commits the majority of sex crimes? If that were equal, then women could be just as likely as men to lie about rape. Just because women are capable of committing other heinous crimes, what is the next logical step to rape?

“Rationally speaking, I cannot exclude this possibility from the realm of consideration. Morally speaking, I MUST not do so.”

It would be idiocy to remove it from the realm of consideration, but that has nothing to do with the tone of Heretic’s Blog. You yourself have said that women have been “PROSECUTED” for lying about being raped. The contention, just as Field Marshall King Ding Dong said, is that women hide behind rape shield laws. Prosecution of women caught lying would suggest otherwise.
By fidelbogen, February 10, 2007 @ 4:39 am

Wrong. Who commits the majority of sex crimes? If that were equal, then women could be just as likely as men to lie about rape. Just because women are capable of committing other heinous crimes, what is the next logical step to rape?
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My original statement is valid. Nothing hinders my belief that women are morally capable of lying about rape, especially in view of their demonstrated moral capacity to commit equally heinous crimes that often involve lying. It is easy: All a woman must do is open her mouth and falsely say, “I was raped”.

My belief is further supported in the light of numerous cases presently known, in which women have in FACT either been found guilty of this offense, or confessed to it.

In view of both probability and direct evidence, those who categorically assert that women don’t lie about rape lack sufficient warrant for their belief.

Neither the “tone” of Heretic’s blog, nor the statement by Field Marshall Watkins, have any bearing upon my present remarks - which are logically self-standing.
By Teegan, December 25, 2007 @ 10:54 am

If Marti wants to get all ad-hominem let’s do it right back at her:

One of the things she has posted on an online dating site is: “It’s not what you say that I’m interested in, but how you say it.” Apparently she’s all for appearances. So if she can “appear” to have won an argument by insulting everyone else into submission, then she must be correct in her views expressed in the argument. LOL!

Marti, I’ve seen your OkCupid page. It’s rather pathetic. You are 40 and you have wrinkles. You have facial piercings as if in an attempt to reclaim your youth. You are obviously a bitter old man-hating lesbian who can no longer find a date in real life so you have to resort to online dating services.

It’s obvious that you have no interest in finding the truth, but only in attacking and making men look bad. At least you try to make them look bad. Every man in this topic has maintained a professional and logical poise while you have acted like nothing but a bitter and spoiled child.

You lose this argument. And it was funny to watch. lol